Aaah, come on...
Here is a new one, about crowd-funding, german forum.
Dont hesitate to post in english.
https://forum.freecadweb.org/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=71133
Aaah, come on...
Do you have another alternative? The only thing that I am pointing out is a way to make the issues visible. So far I haven't seen one. Not one to be proud of. What was the goal again? Make FreeCAD as easy going as SW and the stability of Creo. I want that and I bet you too.
Easy. They guy who feels like fixing the issue, as it always is the case. But the top 10 list should be visible for anyone to see.Here things become less easy: Who is these "we", who should do the fixing?
Welcome in the world of complexity, but I nor you need to point that out.MS can assign work to some developer and he will do for the money he gets. We can also assign work to developers. And they will do it or they will not. Or they will do something else. Should we forbid workiing on other things than the top ten? Sure not, as it could stop all developments for years or forever.
FreeCAD is not short of ideas what could or should be done, it needs the people who actually do it.
It is just an idea, but please come up with an alternative.I come along very well with most toponaming issues. So the list above is rather to demonstrate that it helps nothing. We know it since years.
First off, I want to lead off with this statement: I personally have never liked F360.keithsloan52 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 17, 2022 10:37 am Difficult in that F360 way of working is different and that is what they have gotten used to.
This may be true, I'm not convinced that it is 100% true though. I've seen plenty of folks struggle with it, and other CAD offerings.
Again, I'd argue not 100% true. There have been new users here in the forums that have managed to be productive in short order. Mostly because they had no expectations and, for what ever reason, were not hampered by needing to unlearn other workflows and concepts. (In addition, I've seen many new, non-CAD users in the Facebook and Discord pick it up in short order. Again, mostly because they had no expectations and were eager to learn to use FreeCAD, rather than comparing it to what they did before.The same cannot be said about FreeCAD....
Of course, nothing about usability, intuitiveness and workflow are 100% black and white. They are largely personal. I too have seen people come to FreeCAD with little to no experience be productive, but I also believe it is less common in comparison to other offerings. Definitely agree that the loudest complainers are those who have to put aside their old habits/workflows before they can become productive.
Jürgen Riegel, one of the founders, has made a proposal years ago: "Stop whining - start coding!"
Why couldn't you just say that you don't have an idea.chrisb wrote: ↑Wed Aug 17, 2022 2:25 pmJürgen Riegel, one of the founders, has made a proposal years ago: "Stop whining - start coding!"
I mean: If someone comes here saying "Hey I, want to do something to improve the usability of FreeCAD, where should I start?" Then we can think about lists and organizing and all the stuff. But as long as people are only planning what others should do - for free! - I doubt that it will really help.
The idea that it could attract developers, because now they finally know what to do can be right. Or wrong. Just as the argument could be right or wrong that such a list, which sure would contain huge tasks, could chase away programmers who rather want to do something else.
IMO it was better coordinated and more polished than previous releases, there was more work involved, but this is a good thing because a lot more things got fixed. Backporting seems to be more extensive than before too. Of course I am not the main guy behind making releases so this could just be my perception.keithsloan52 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 17, 2022 10:37 am Might just be me but got the impression getting 0.20 out was more effort than in previous releases?
Who's goal? I don't want FreeCAD to be as solidworks, I want it to be good on it's own terms, if that implies being similar to solidworks in some aspect, so be it, if it implies being different, so be it.
I would rather have a voting system for all issues, just as something informative, no strings attached, this way we can have an idea of what are the most requested things. This gives you a top 10 out of the box if you want that, or maybe you can filter the issues on the modules you want to work on.It is just an idea, but please come up with an alternative.
This kind of sniping is why I think the forum is outliving its usefulness - at least for any productive discussion about development.grd wrote: ↑Wed Aug 17, 2022 2:47 pmWhy couldn't you just say that you don't have an idea.chrisb wrote: ↑Wed Aug 17, 2022 2:25 pmJürgen Riegel, one of the founders, has made a proposal years ago: "Stop whining - start coding!"
I mean: If someone comes here saying "Hey I, want to do something to improve the usability of FreeCAD, where should I start?" Then we can think about lists and organizing and all the stuff. But as long as people are only planning what others should do - for free! - I doubt that it will really help.
The idea that it could attract developers, because now they finally know what to do can be right. Or wrong. Just as the argument could be right or wrong that such a list, which sure would contain huge tasks, could chase away programmers who rather want to do something else.