Zombie project, or small conversion FC16->FC20

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Re: Zombie project, or small conversion FC16->FC20

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wieszak17 wrote: Sun May 29, 2022 5:02 pm... only sketches and sometimes starting pads or revolves are copied from old file.
be careful with that - few files I have opened had corrupt sketches in them...
Not easily noticeable in master branch (link branch reports a lot better ;) )
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Re: Zombie project, or small conversion FC16->FC20

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wieszak17 wrote: Sun May 29, 2022 4:33 pm [...]

-boiler support: (here I was unable to recreate one of fillets, i don't know if this is regression or part need to be more redesigned)
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Re: Zombie project, or small conversion FC16->FC20

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M4x: This one:
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The problem is in that fillet ending. I said that it coulde be regression because i remeber more parts where I was doing fillets with same endings as here, and currently it sometimes works but more often wont. But it also could be problem connected to conversion, sometimes FC refuses to do Pad or Pocket from copied sketch, then I open that sketch, close without any changes and then it works. Similarly sometimes when i copy revolution as starting shape it also need to enter and close edit mode before i can do next operation.

bambuko: I found out it too. Now I try to remember always edit copied sketches to check if there is a problem with them.
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Re: Zombie project, or small conversion FC16->FC20

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wieszak17 wrote: Mon May 30, 2022 6:51 am bambuko: I found out it too. Now I try to remember always edit copied sketches to check if there is a problem with them.
That's why I like to test it by opening it in realthunder's Link branch ;)
it immediately shows where the problems are, for example:

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Re: Zombie project, or small conversion FC16->FC20

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wieszak17 wrote: Mon May 30, 2022 6:51 am M4x: This one:
I had a look at this file,
and "Sketch" is corrupted with redundant constraint (after deleting it, it has 1 DoF - missing tangent constraint).
Also - your sketches are attached to model faces? not really recommended because of Topological Naming Problem.
I have redone these things and the missing fillet looks like this (but cannot be much larger than 5mm radius).
Limiting factor is an overlap at the corner (pointed with arrows)
Can't attach a file, but if you are interested can share it with a link?
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Re: Zombie project, or small conversion FC16->FC20

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Ok, first answers:

M4x: I corrected that file myself and this time i was finally able to add that fillet, but... on first try it was impossible. Then i remeberred that i enabled refine object on last operation, and quite possibly you created that filet as last operation not just after first sweep like i was trying. And it was first clue - when i tried to do it as last op with refine (i deleted all fillets when correcting model) there was change - malformed face instead of no model at all. Then i found out that if i select edge between ends then fillet is impossible or bad, but if select edge which should be last one the fillet is nearly ok - there were 4mm limit. And at last i selected both end edges and this time fillet was fully ok - 5mm as required and proper faces.

I know about TNP and usually i'm trying to not provoke it but... linking sketch to face is sometimes very handy and natural, also when using fillets/chamfers you need to risk TNP anyway. Especially that sometimes you can't leave them as last ops.

bambuko: well maybe i should try it also...

And now todays parts:
-lubricators for bumpers between loco and tender (there are two in .fcstd, one on picture for better view):
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http://para.zonk.pl/Ol49forum/fcstd/02/9.26-01.fcstd

-main connector between loco and tender:
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http://para.zonk.pl/Ol49forum/fcstd/02/10.06-0-1.fcstd

-rear mounts for suspension:
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http://para.zonk.pl/Ol49forum/fcstd/02/11.14-01.fcstd

-boiler support (there are five in total, three are in previous posts, here is fourth and there will be one more... trickiest one):
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http://para.zonk.pl/Ol49forum/fcstd/02/P227-1-0.fcstd

-steps on front bumper:
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http://para.zonk.pl/Ol49forum/fcstd/02/P228-1-0.fcstd

-protectors for headlamps:
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http://para.zonk.pl/Ol49forum/fcstd/02/P229-1-0.fcstd

-things that protects rails from being greased by 9.26 above
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http://para.zonk.pl/Ol49forum/fcstd/02/P230-1-0.fcstd

-and another connector between frames with guides for suspension of first axle:
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http://para.zonk.pl/Ol49forum/fcstd/02/P231-1-0.fcstd

and assembly of group 02 with todays part colored - whole documentation is divided into ten groups 00 - 09 where group 02 is for frame, suspension and coupling.
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Re: Zombie project, or small conversion FC16->FC20

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wieszak17 wrote: Mon May 30, 2022 3:43 pm Ok, first answers:
M4x: I corrected that file myself
That wasn't M4x it was me (bambuko) as well :mrgreen:
keep up the good work - I am enjoying this thread :ugeek:
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Re: Zombie project, or small conversion FC16->FC20

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bambuko: oups ;-) sorry, too low coffee level detected...
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Re: Zombie project, or small conversion FC16->FC20

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Thanks but like @bambuko mentioned already, I was only asking. bambuko did all the work :)
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Re: Zombie project, or small conversion FC16->FC20

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Next parts:

-rail guards:
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http://para.zonk.pl/Ol49forum/fcstd/02/8.33-01.fcstd

-wedge & shoe:
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http://para.zonk.pl/Ol49forum/fcstd/02/P233-1-0.fcstd

-brake pin:
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http://para.zonk.pl/Ol49forum/fcstd/02/P235-1-0.fcstd

-frame filling
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http://para.zonk.pl/Ol49forum/fcstd/02/P237-1-0.fcstd

-engine front bumpers: here is element which i have no idea how to do in FC, it is bumper spring. If someone is interested in giving some advice then here is drawing: http://plany.zonk.pl/parowozy/Ol49/album02/pg.065.png
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http://para.zonk.pl/Ol49forum/fcstd/02/P271-1-0.fcstd

-engine rear bumpers:
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http://para.zonk.pl/Ol49forum/fcstd/02/P277-1-0.fcstd

-equalizer between 1st and 2nd axle:
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http://para.zonk.pl/Ol49forum/fcstd/02/P281-1-0.fcstd

-drawing box saddle:
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http://para.zonk.pl/Ol49forum/fcstd/02/P285-1-0.fcstd

And finally current assembly:
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