[Request new function] Slot "Counterbore"?

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[Request new function] Slot "Counterbore"?

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Is it possible to add Slot "Counterbore" in "Part_Design Hole Tool"?
Or have other suggestions?
Thank you very much
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Re: [Request new function] Ellipse "Counterbore"?

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xsuper9988 wrote: Thu Jul 14, 2022 3:12 am Is it possible to add Ellipse "Counterbore" in "Part_Design Hole Tool"?
Or have other suggestions?
Thank you very much
Implementing it might not be particularly difficult, but I don't know how many people would actually use it. Pretty sure there are more niche functionalities that can be added, but this could serve little purpose to most people other than making the tools overly complicated. Do you have any real world examples of it which justify adding this particular functionality as opposed to just making sketches and pockets?

Question about your picture. The hole is not elliptical, but in a shape called a "slot" in sketcher. Is this called "ellipse counterbore" in some practice or is the drawing for demonstration purposes only?
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Re: [Request new function] Ellipse "Counterbore"?

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Hexagonal counterbore should be more useful.
And for generalization, it could work selecting a sketch for the counterbore form.
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Re: [Request new function] Ellipse "Counterbore"?

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jnxd wrote: Thu Jul 14, 2022 4:18 am Question about your picture. The hole is not elliptical, but in a shape called a "slot" in sketcher.
OK
I edited the title and content again
Thank you very much
jnxd wrote: Thu Jul 14, 2022 4:18 am Do you have any real world examples of it which justify adding this particular functionality as opposed to just making sketches and pockets?
For short distances, most of them are Hexagonal counterbore
Because most of Hexagonal counterbore is 0.5~1.0mm larger than the screw
Sufficient for short distance error adjustment
PS: as picture Slot_Counterbore_exp1

When "Slot", "Slot Counterbore" are used at short distances
A wide range of fixing tools, or the lock position that needs to be adjusted on the assembly...etc
PS: as picture Slot_Counterbore_exp1

When locking at long distances (>1.5M)
I might choose to use "Slot"
And "Slot Counterbore" is used for long distance and interference

As picture Slot_Counterbore_exp2
Fixed surface on gantry pillars
When long-distance left and right assembly needs to be aligned
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Re: [Request new function] Ellipse "Counterbore"?

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Shalmeneser wrote: Thu Jul 14, 2022 7:56 am Hexagonal counterbore should be more useful.
And for generalization, it could work selecting a sketch for the counterbore form.
Yes
Hexagonal counterbore most used
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Re: [Request new function] Ellipse "Counterbore"?

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xsuper9988 wrote: Thu Jul 14, 2022 9:36 am
jnxd wrote: Thu Jul 14, 2022 4:18 am Question about your picture. The hole is not elliptical, but in a shape called a "slot" in sketcher.
OK
I edited the title and content again
Thank you very much
Thank you. The terminology might still be a little off, but "slot bore" might work.
xsuper9988 wrote: Thu Jul 14, 2022 9:36 am For short distances, most of them are Hexagonal counterbore
Because most of Hexagonal counterbore is 0.5~1.0mm larger than the screw
Sufficient for short distance error adjustment
PS: as picture Slot_Counterbore_exp1

When "Slot", "Slot Counterbore" are used at short distances
A wide range of fixing tools, or the lock position that needs to be adjusted on the assembly...etc
PS: as picture Slot_Counterbore_exp1

When locking at long distances (>1.5M)
I might choose to use "Slot"
And "Slot Counterbore" is used for long distance and interference

As picture Slot_Counterbore_exp2
Fixed surface on gantry pillars
When long-distance left and right assembly needs to be aligned
Thank you for the explanation. It does sound like something useful, either in PD or in an Assembly workbench. Could you make a feature request on Github (make sure it doesn't already exist first)? When making the request, please add a link to this thread otherwise the issue will be closed.

I haven't dealt with PD holes, so I can't really comment on the implementation. It could be something we have to implement ourselves if OCC doesn't have something for this.
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Re: [Request new function] Slot "Counterbore"?

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I do not know if this is really a good request, since it is technical absolute false. You can not properly tighten a screw in this way. Way too small contact surface in conjunction with a radial friction is no proper work. When you have to adjust something (long sloth or much bigger hole), then you should use big washers anyway.
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Shalmeneser wrote: Thu Jul 14, 2022 7:56 am Hexagonal counterbore should be more useful.
Also never saw that in real life (and how to produce without exemptions, which needs rework). Also when how do adjust the hexagon angle direction since the hole definitions is a point on a surface (or similar) and have no radial direction at all. If i define one with a sketch, i would be faster to make the hexagon in the sketch anyway.


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Re: [Request new function] Slot "Counterbore"?

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The Hole operation is a pattern for each circle/arc in the sketch or in the face.
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Shalmeneser wrote: Thu Jul 14, 2022 1:25 pm The Hole operation is a pattern for each circle/arc in the sketch or in the face.
Yes i konw, but i do not mean this. I mean the hexagon direction, see
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Re: [Request new function] Slot "Counterbore"?

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I imagine the sketch plane of the form can use the same plane as the one used for the Hole (same position, same orientation).
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